my advise to anybody who dosent like dirty racers and wants to race proper is get a proper racing game..pgr is an arcade racer not a simulation, if u want to race proper get forza, pgr is to easy anyway....i cant beleave after all this time people still come on here crying about noskills spinning them. im sure if he'd try'd he could have kept'd his very first thread going with the amount of crybabys on here.